Solidarity with Luciano Tortuga 21/3/12

by Miss Trust Sun Apr 01, 2012 21:10

I'm sure there are some eminently sensible and sound activists you could be advocating showing solidarity with, apart from this guy who blew himself up with an Improvised Explosive Device and by this potential action risked blowing up innocent bystanders!

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out a sensible and effective strategy does it, or maybe sensible and effective are not seen as being radical and violent enough for some people!

by trust Sun Apr 01, 2012 23:29

Luciano is worth 2 billion of you

by Miss Trust Mon Apr 02, 2012 18:43

OK trust, I'm not going to respond to your retort that Tortuga is worth 2 billion of anyone, that's just a childish comment.

Lets start looking at this in little more depth shall we.
Firstly can we separate Tortugas actions from the struggle of the Chillian people. I don't think they are the same, a person that's prepared to to plant a bomb outside a bank, potentially blowing innocent people up isn't acting in the best interests of those people.

If he was acting in the peoples interests then some form of appropriate targeting might be more effective, yes? like targeting the banking elites that are actually making the decisions, not the workers, or targeting softer options like communications or transportation hubs. Which would be more effective but that maybe doesn't hit with your perceived revolutionary propaganda by deed rhetoric though.

There are more issues concerning "propaganda by deed" but these have been well dealt with by more informed political analysts then myself.
What I would like to emphasise though is how this action would likely be perceived by the general public.
Say you had rocked up to a Bristol branch of Santander, then what? would you be explaining to the general public and bank workers what this solidarity demo was actually about? explaining that Tortuga failed in blowing up a bank? how do you think that would actually go down?

Instead, what if you rocked up to Santander and explained how the bank is contributing to the economic stranglehold of the Chillian people, with perhaps pictures of people in poverty, with statements from the students that are being violently repressed.

Tell the tale of the people and not of an individual that's failed at potentially maiming innocent people!!!

by miss informed Wed Apr 04, 2012 20:10

from this constant online waste of space, i cannot help but taste vomit in my mouth when hearing such disrespect towards people who are showing solidarity from so far away, especially in the uk (such a liberal reformist counter culture) and for those who are putting so much at risk.

miss trust, you have little knowledge of Tortuga's action, as it was not directly the bank that he and his comrade were aiming to attack with the explosive, but a television channel named "MEGA" who are accountable for feeding the masses in Chile with top down propaganda.

saying "Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out a sensible and effective strategy does it, or maybe sensible and effective are not seen as being radical and violent enough for some people! " depends on the individual as it is the individuals perception of what is and is not effective regards to THEIR objectives. it does not take a rocket scientist, nor a professional to have effective strategies, as many of these comrades were experts in what they do, they have to and rarely are there mistakes made.

yes the explosive devise detonated at the wrong time, but that does not condemn these forms of actions nor Tortuga's courage. where in any published communication does it say that attacks like this where aimed at injuring bystanders or workers?

denouncing one form of attack, is inherently one of the most successful methods of divide and rule.
many libertarians have used these methods which have shown some of the best forms of resistance.

you and many others who comment on here disgust me, this was not a demo held for you or for the privileged people of bristol. this was for a COMRADE, to send him our love and strength, to remind him he is not alone and that his actions will be heard, even if he is in a prison cell, even if his heath is poor due to hunger strikes, for he is a true revolutionary and will not be silenced.

fuck santander bank, they are only one of many places which deserve everything they get. The media, communications and transport hubs, any institution which upholds the domination over others will be held accountable for their actions.

its easy to sit there behind a screen critiquing peoples actions and suggesting finding better targets like banking elites. i imagine you are not a resident of Santiago and have little understanding of the struggle he supports, nor do i imagine you recognize this as a global struggle, or what that struggle actually is.

your comments are ill thought out, with no analysis and nothing to backing it up. Your mentioning of "propaganda of the deed" is a method used by many anarchists which Luciano states to be, you suggest explaining how the bank is contributing to the economic stranglehold of the Chillian people, such a method poses little threat to a multi national bank. i laugh at such a suggestion and that you suggest "softer" options, the harder the hit, the more impact it will have.

if i knew you had this opinion and met you on the street at that demo, i would not have even wasted my breath explaining what he, i and many others are fighting for, i do it here to not dishearten those who read the comments left by you and the like, and to remind the anarchists to keep their heads high.

STAY STRONG LUCIANO

KEEP FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM

FOR A INSURRECTIONAL ANARCHIST PROJECT