Re-tool the Entire Industrial Revolution.

category bristol | the environment | news report author Sunday August 02, 2009 17:25author by Jack Report this post to the editors

Coal, gas, oil, and atomic energy is destroying the planets livability and therefore the last forty-five years of ecological green revolution has brought into being the high and low tech tools to put in place wind, tidal, and solar power that transforms to electricity and is more power than society can use. No more blackouts. This non-pollution solution provides work for all and forever more. Viva socialist liberation. End pollution wars, not endless wars for more pollution. Coal itself is a dirty fossil fuel in that it burns out the atmospheres' oxygen and leaves carbon dioxide, and we cannot live on carbon-dioxide. The bosses of coal however, have created a fraud called 'clean coal' to green wash the genocidal features of burning coal. Solar is the path to liberation and will free the miners from dying early from blacklung

The present situation is that thirty-five percent of the oxygen that was present since before the beginning of the first industrial revolution, has been burned out and replaced with carbon-dioxide. It does not take a rocket scientist to prove that only a few more percentage points will cause trouble for breathing for our entire specie. Already birds flying on migaration paths over big Canadian and American cities are falling out of the air and dying because the fumes are so bad that no oxygen is available to them, especially after a rush hour. The replacement of fossil fuels with solar, tidal, and wind power would stop about 97% of the fossil fuel poisoning of the atmosphere. That would allow the green ecological balance to remove the carbon and give back clean oxygen again. That means the trees give us oxygen and take out carbon for their cell growth, and that allows nature to replenish the atmosphere. Liberation is with solar , tidal, and wind power. In a word electricity. Miners would then be working mining the sun , and solar batteries would be placed on each and every roof top in the world. The dark as a dungeon working conditions would be gone forever. ---A Miner's Lifeguard.

author by One stoppublication date Sun Aug 02, 2009 18:24Report this post to the editors

You wont get what you want relying on Socialist ideology.

The socialist States (when we had any – thank goodness the world saw sense and quietly dropped the flawed experiment) were the very worst polluters and destroyers of habitats.

• Aral Sea

• Rivers running black with Carbon Black

• Chernobyl

• Novaya Zemlya

• Yenisey

• The Arctic nuclear dump

Socialism continues to lead to wars around the world due to struggles over government-owned and government-monopolized resources. Humanity must eventually choose either eco-capitalism or the barbarism of socialism. Based upon recent events it seems that the world has learnt the folly of socialist spin and the world will solve its problems not by centralised government bullying but by people trading for what they want.

Meanwhile Western technology goes in to the old eastern block to clean up the mess decades of socialist mis-government caused.

author by Mell Opublication date Sun Aug 02, 2009 20:18Report this post to the editors

Well, maybe to an english capitalist - 'Viva' - was a vauxhall (part of General Motors) car (yawn) but to many millions of spanish speaking peoples all around the world ....... Viva, is the Spanish-language word meaning 'long-live'.

author by One Lifepublication date Sun Aug 02, 2009 21:21Report this post to the editors

Not sure there is a catagory for the "bleeding obvious" though.

author by Troll watchpublication date Sun Aug 02, 2009 22:27Report this post to the editors

I see that the troll's back again.
We have been having some really constructive discussions while you were absent.
On all kinds of topics.

author by illegalsecpublication date Sun Aug 02, 2009 23:20Report this post to the editors

I think there might only be about four people left in the UK who can reliably wire a plug, let alone be responsible for re-tooling anything.

author by One trollpublication date Mon Aug 03, 2009 06:52Report this post to the editors

.... Under any circumstances ever have as part of any economic system people united and caring about each other and the environment, it makes it harder for us self-serving greedy capitalists to maximise profits.
How can we exploit workers if they are of the Socialist persuasion? - We cannot, therefore we must eliminate even the merest whiff of Socialism.
Socialism gets in the way of efficient exploitation and profit-making, it must be outlawed.
Capitalist caused Climate change is far better than any kind of Socialist Pollution, it is much more profitable to us, we make much more money that way.
There is nothing at all wrong with capitalist fat cats, there is everything wrong with Lefties and Greenies, they must be outlawed if not imprisoned, they are all dole-scrounging scum.
Viva Consumption!
Viva greed and profit!

author by Spam watch.publication date Mon Aug 03, 2009 07:09Report this post to the editors

This thread is nuffin more than yet another attempt by clive hammond to wind anti-capitalist pro-environment folk up, and to bellow on about his anti-leftie anti-greeny assumptions and opinions.

author by Quinkpublication date Tue Aug 04, 2009 15:30Report this post to the editors

Socialists want taxes – usually “windfall profits tax” on what they term “excessive” company profits under the notion of giving this money back to the poor. All very laudible and akin to Robin Hood.

But in reality, this is Marxist “income redistribution” which attempts to take money from the rich and give it to the poor, so that everyone has the same income. It didn’t work in The soviet socialist Republic and it won’t work anywhere else either because all it does is discourage the creation of wealth for many people by businesses. Russia has learnt that lesson and now embrasses free market trade with their now virtually controlling gas supply as well as buying Football Clubs.

In the long term the silliness that is socialism actually harms the very “poor” that Socialists profess their system of government control claims to champion, therefore those that support socialism are usually the disinfranchised voting for their own poverty or middle class apologists with a guilt complex.

Similarly, who defines what is “excessive”? The socialists in control presumably? And that is wide open to abuse as we have all seen and as the first comment highlights this abuse means that not only the poor suffer, but the environment does as well. Not to mention those indiginous peoples who have had their bi of the world destroyed on a whim of an isolated and unfeeling government beurocracy.

Is one penny an excessive profit? What about a £100? Or one billion £’s? because what happens to profit? – it is distributed and tax is paid on it. It may be distributed to shareholders but they pay CGT on the gains and income tax on the dividend income. So as long as taxes are used to fund solid social welfare then it is all a bit of a virtuous circle. But to some on here it seems that profit is a dirty word. If it is then how do you pay for your pint on a Friday night? Because to pay for such a luxury, it has to be disposable income, and that by definition is profit that you have in your pocket to spend.

But back to solar wind power etc which is the thrust of Jack’s article. Now I support the Vesta workers I really do. I wish them well and believe it is crazy to allow such technology to simply pack up and go from the UK. But why are they going?

Because there is no interest in that technology in the UK. The Government just is not interested – it would rather buy oil and gas from the newly Capitalist Russians than force NIMBY Local Authorities such as the IoW to have renewable energy sources that are actually built on the bloody island!!!

How crazy is that?

The IoW Council wanted to take the taxes, take the rates, etc but when it came to actually using the technology it was “Ooooo Noooo! – Not in my back yard, Thank you very Much!”

"No To Isle Of Wight Windfarm

Local council say no to Isle of Wight Windfarm
wind | news

The local council of the Isle of Wight have rejected plans for a Windfarm planned for a beauty spot on the island. Considerable local opposition to the £14m six 100m Wind Turbine project to be located near Yarmouth resulted in its failure.

Although supported by Friends of the Earth, 82% of the consultees objected to Your Energy's Wellow Wind Farm project which they felt would threaten local wildlife, impact tourism, and change the character and appearance of the area for residents and visitors. The Wight Against Rural Turbines (ThWART) were delighted with the news.

Councillor Ian Ward stated that the Isle of Wight does support renewable energy initiatives, but "had to consider the benefits that it can be bring and balance these with the impact on surrounding countryside". The council said that the wind farm was "the wrong thing in the wrong place".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6100722.stm

So when the company after exploring all the options realised that the Local Council was never going to support the product that it made, they decided to up sticks and move to countries that took them seriously and that goodness there are many countries that DO support the concept of Newer better, cleaner technology.

But I believe that such new technology will never come from a socialist state because you need profit to drive innovation. Socialism stiffles innovation as it takes away the ability of the gifted individuals to benefit from their skils, their drive and their motivation.

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